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Sept. 10, 2026

Elders vs Olders

Elders vs Olders
Elders vs Olders
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Elders vs Olders

Two kinds of people get called elders. Only one of them actually is one.

In this episode we get into what separates an elder from an older -- and why it matters more right now than at any point in most of our lifetimes. This isn't about age. It's about whether you've given up or not. And it's hurting the old and the young both, at the same time, for the same reasons.

We talk about who actually benefited when families went from one income to two, why we spent more on education and got less, and what happens to kids when the village disappears and nobody's left to pass anything down. I'll share a story from my own family that proves none of this is abstract -- this is real life.

And through all of it, one thing keeps coming back. Elders -- real ones -- are the ones who can actually fix it.

We identified the cancer today. Next episode we talk about what to do about it.

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[SPEAKER_00] What I'm about to share took me a lifetime to figure out, and nobody taught me any of it.

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[SPEAKER_00] Did you know there's two kinds of people who get called elders?

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[SPEAKER_00] Well, only one of them actually is an elder.

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[SPEAKER_00] It's hurting the old and the youth both at the same time and for the same reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00] We have to remember that a bunch of someones benefited from that.

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[SPEAKER_00] And it wasn't us, it wasn't the families, it wasn't the kids.

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[SPEAKER_00] Unfortunately, the kids got the worst of it, and the schools made it worse.

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[SPEAKER_00] I've got a story from my own family that proves this isn't just talk.

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[SPEAKER_00] And through all of it, elders are the ones who can actually fix it.

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[SPEAKER_00] That's what today is all about, so let's get into it. Elder versus older.

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[SPEAKER_00] What does that actually mean? An elder hasn't given up yet.

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[SPEAKER_00] Still looks at what's wrong in the world while never losing the sight of what's still good.

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[SPEAKER_00] Still asks, what can I do to make a difference? What can I do to help?

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[SPEAKER_00] Instead of looking the other way, which all too many are doing nowadays.

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[SPEAKER_00] An older, on the other hand, has accepted it. It's too late. I tried, and look where it got me.

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[SPEAKER_00] Maybe good for a, I told you so, but that's as far as it goes.

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[SPEAKER_00] And for a lot of the olders, I can't really blame them. You know, they've been disrespected.

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[SPEAKER_00] They've been talked down to, laughed at.

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[SPEAKER_00] Not treated with the respect that they most certainly deserve. It's not just about the old.

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[SPEAKER_00] This isn't just about the old ones. Not by a long shot. Youth are olders too.

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[SPEAKER_00] Forced to grow up way too fast. Getting too old beyond their years.

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[SPEAKER_00] No one raised them the way a village once did, like when I was a kid.

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[SPEAKER_00] You know, there's no neighbors and elders and relatives,

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[SPEAKER_00] grandparents taking care of, taking them under their wing.

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[SPEAKER_00] The elders that would have done that got pushed to the side.

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[SPEAKER_00] Got pushed away so there's no interaction anymore between the elders and their

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[SPEAKER_00] own kids, the grandkids. When that connection was broken between the youth and the elders,

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[SPEAKER_00] there was no one left for the elders to pass their wisdom down to.

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[SPEAKER_00] And when the wisdom disappears, when the elders die, you're never going to hear it again.

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[SPEAKER_00] It's gone. For every elder, they have a library of information that just disappears.

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[SPEAKER_00] It's not found in any books. It's not found anywhere else.

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[SPEAKER_00] Just like it was meant to be when the world was first created.

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[SPEAKER_00] Everything was shared by word of mouth. And that word of mouth isn't happening anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00] So the information that's being passed down is not reaching the people who need it the most.

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[SPEAKER_00] It goes both ways. Elders with no one to teach. Youth with no one to learn from.

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[SPEAKER_00] Make no mistake. This wasn't an accident.

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[SPEAKER_00] First, we have to look at who benefited. It sure wasn't us. It wasn't the families.

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[SPEAKER_00] It wasn't the kids. Somebody did. Go ahead. Ask yourself.

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[SPEAKER_00] Who got richer when families got poorer? Tax collectors. Landlords. Drug companies.

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[SPEAKER_00] And anyone selling a solution to a problem they helped create. One income turned into two.

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[SPEAKER_00] More household tax revenue collected. Demanding more. Always more.

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[SPEAKER_00] Never giving anything in return. And zero accountability for any of it.

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[SPEAKER_00] House prices climbed right along with it. You buy a house. Look at your first payment.

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[SPEAKER_00] A few dollars go to the principal. The rest goes to interest, taxes, insurance.

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[SPEAKER_00] They win on every side. While we get punished and put into debt prison for the next 30 years.

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[SPEAKER_00] A lot of somebody's game from that shift.

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[SPEAKER_00] And if you look around, you can see that the same pattern shows up elsewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00] All the different health epidemics. No shortage of new cure -all drugs to treat everything.

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[SPEAKER_00] For a cost, of course. Don't forget all the insurance premiums that we have to pay.

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[SPEAKER_00] Of course, the first 40 or 50% comes out of our pocket.

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[SPEAKER_00] And then when the insurance companies find out that, oh my God,

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[SPEAKER_00] they actually had to pay something for a prescription.

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[SPEAKER_00] Well, we're going to have to raise your rates because that prescription wasn't part of our deal.

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[SPEAKER_00] We collect the money. We don't send it out.

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[SPEAKER_00] And that's the way it's been for as long as I can remember.

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[SPEAKER_00] However, I also know some people that I used to work with that they had serious

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[SPEAKER_00] illnesses like cancer and other ailments like that. That it's basically a one -way ticket.

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[SPEAKER_00] And some of them, they just had to work right to the end. They'd be at their desk.

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[SPEAKER_00] They'd have a big heavy coat on in the summertime.

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[SPEAKER_00] They'd be chewing ice because they were swollen enough from the chemo that they had to take.

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[SPEAKER_00] But then they were freezing on the outside, so they had to have a coat.

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[SPEAKER_00] What kind of ending is that?

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[SPEAKER_00] What kind of disrespect is that for somebody to put in so many years?

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[SPEAKER_00] My point of view is just nothing but feeding the scam.

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[SPEAKER_00] I don't know how many times I'd gone to a pharmacy and I'd have a prescription.

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[SPEAKER_00] And it would be like something in maybe $100 or over $100.

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[SPEAKER_00] Then they'd turn around and tell me, Well,

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[SPEAKER_00] if we file it where you don't have insurance, the price is like half.

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[SPEAKER_00] What is the point of having insurance? It's like a one -way road.

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[SPEAKER_00] Feed the giant and they get nothing back. But it comes right down to it.

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[SPEAKER_00] It's the families and the kids who actually pay the price.

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[SPEAKER_00] Less time, less attention, more stress, less living, and less life.

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[SPEAKER_00] The damage won't stop with us. It got handed down to our kids and their kids after that.

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[SPEAKER_00] This is just a tragedy and a betrayal. It didn't happen just on its own.

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[SPEAKER_00] We were forced into the direction none of us wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00] And it's still happening, still getting worse, with no cure or end in sight.

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[SPEAKER_00] Then we'd look at what's happened to the kids. Stress levels through the roof. No skills.

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[SPEAKER_00] No critical thinking. No recess. Handed a problem. Here, find the answer.

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[SPEAKER_00] And instead of figuring it out, how to solve it, they just Google it.

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[SPEAKER_00] Look at what we spent on education and what we got for it. Test scores didn't go up.

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[SPEAKER_00] They went down. And not by a little. And we spent more, got less.

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[SPEAKER_00] Someone has to explain that one. Schools stopped teaching kids how to think.

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[SPEAKER_00] And started teaching them how to pass a test.

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[SPEAKER_00] A kid who can't think for himself can't question what he's being told.

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[SPEAKER_00] Yeah, he's a good little servant, isn't he? That's not education. That's conditioning.

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[SPEAKER_00] Kids need to move. They need to be outside. They need to use their hands.

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[SPEAKER_00] A desk and a screen all day isn't how children are wired. Ed, who was a dear friend of mine,

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[SPEAKER_00] couldn't survive traditional high school.

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[SPEAKER_00] So they sent a couple of teachers or counselors, I guess,

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[SPEAKER_00] over to his house to talk to his parents at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00] And they basically had said, nah, he's not going to make it.

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[SPEAKER_00] It's a waste of our time and a waste of his and a waste of yours as well.

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[SPEAKER_00] But we have an alternative. So considering grades 9 through 12,

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[SPEAKER_00] they're basically just getting you ready to go to college.

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[SPEAKER_00] If you're not going to go to college, 9 through 12, not worth it.

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[SPEAKER_00] But what we can do instead is we can move them into a trades program.

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[SPEAKER_00] You know, something where they will not have a student loan that's hundreds of

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[SPEAKER_00] thousands of dollars and will take them 10 years or longer to pay it back.

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[SPEAKER_00] Ed absolutely thrived in that program. I couldn't believe it. And he wasn't alone.

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[SPEAKER_00] There were other, like, girls and boys getting into the trades.

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[SPEAKER_00] No, they come out four years later. They're pretty much a journeyman. No student loans. No debt.

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[SPEAKER_00] Ed ended up retiring, I think, when he was around 45 or 50. Full pension. Full benefits.

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[SPEAKER_00] Full medical. And I know I went to school with kids that went to college for the,

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[SPEAKER_00] you need a business degree. Yep. All they ended up doing was pumping gas.

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[SPEAKER_00] There was a big, long student loan that'll take them years to pay back.

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[SPEAKER_00] I'd even talk to a few of them. And they said, no, when you went for a business degree,

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[SPEAKER_00] what did they actually teach you?

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[SPEAKER_00] Says, you know, you know, they taught me about a hundred ways that a business will fail.

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[SPEAKER_00] They never taught me one on how to make it succeed.

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[SPEAKER_00] Yeah, welcome to the student loan and educational system. And they will regret it.

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[SPEAKER_00] And they tell their own kids, do not go to college. It's a waste.

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[SPEAKER_00] I don't know if that trades program still exists anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00] But if it doesn't, it should be brought back and it should be made mandatory

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[SPEAKER_00] throughout the country. One problem that we'd have to overcome is that institutions

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[SPEAKER_00] protect themselves first. And the Board of Education is definitely an institution.

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[SPEAKER_00] Kids are secondary. You know, funding, bureaucracy, job security, it always comes first.

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[SPEAKER_00] The kids, yeah, we'll get to it. When the institution fails, it doesn't fix itself.

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[SPEAKER_00] It defends itself. And when it does that, more tax money, we need more, we need more,

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[SPEAKER_00] we will guarantee less. That's the way the cycle goes. A true story from my own family.

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[SPEAKER_00] Because this isn't just talk, this is real life.

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[SPEAKER_00] When COVID hit, the school system in our area and all around the country,

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[SPEAKER_00] as far as I could tell, just collapsed. Note, we have to test everybody for COVID.

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[SPEAKER_00] And if anybody tested positive, and it was just a big fiasco. Well, my daughter and her husband,

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[SPEAKER_00] they pulled their two girls out of the public school system.

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[SPEAKER_00] They just said, no, we're not doing this. And my daughter, she was real scared.

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[SPEAKER_00] You know, had real doubts. She was nervous. That was not an easy call.

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[SPEAKER_00] Because they decided, we're going to homeschool our girls.

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[SPEAKER_00] Support came from a homeschool network through their church. Nationwide, not just local.

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[SPEAKER_00] And there was some rough spots. And it did help, too, that my sister, her aunt,

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[SPEAKER_00] was also a very educated lady. And was good in the math and the sciences.

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[SPEAKER_00] Which she said, I would volunteer my time for my nieces anytime you need it.

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[SPEAKER_00] Well, once they got over the rough patch, the girls absolutely flourished.

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[SPEAKER_00] I mean, they just blossomed. They were doing outdoor activities. Going to old farms.

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[SPEAKER_00] Learning what happens on farms when there is no tractors. You've got to use a horse.

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[SPEAKER_00] And just so on and so on. And the learning never, ever stopped.

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[SPEAKER_00] And the girls just interested in all kinds. Art, music, writing.

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[SPEAKER_00] They just exploded. The girls played on different sports teams.

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[SPEAKER_00] Like for volleyball and basketball. Baseball and such. Soccer.

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[SPEAKER_00] And I'd hear them talking to the kids on the other teams. And I was kind of comparing them.

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[SPEAKER_00] And that wasn't even close. I mean, just their grammar, their vocabulary, their understanding.

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[SPEAKER_00] It was just, it was an embarrassment. And it's not to the parents.

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[SPEAKER_00] Because not everybody can afford to be able to homeschool.

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[SPEAKER_00] But there are more and more families that are getting away from the traditional system.

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[SPEAKER_00] And doing homeschooling. And it is growing and growing and growing.

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[SPEAKER_00] And the Board of Education should be forced to use their model.

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[SPEAKER_00] Because evidently, the Board of Education's model is a failure in so many different levels.

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[SPEAKER_00] It should be just abolished. The homeschool network. There's a bunch of groups out there.

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[SPEAKER_00] Families helping each other. Fighting for their kids and the future of their kids.

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[SPEAKER_00] The gut punch is, homeschooling does need at least one parent at home.

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[SPEAKER_00] Which also means that it needs to be a one -income household.

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[SPEAKER_00] You know, the same one -income household that was destroyed years ago when I was

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[SPEAKER_00] back being a kid. Single -parent homes can't even attempt this.

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[SPEAKER_00] Even two -income families have a hard time trying to pull it off.

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[SPEAKER_00] Some families make the sacrifice anyway. And it is a major sacrifice. Two traps.

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[SPEAKER_00] Same root cause. Closing on families at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00] Now, my daughter and her husband, they were lucky.

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[SPEAKER_00] Because my son -in -law, he's a journeyman electrician.

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[SPEAKER_00] And they do make sacrifices to be a one -house income, take care of the girls.

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[SPEAKER_00] They skimp all over the place to make sure that happens.

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[SPEAKER_00] But their family unit is so much happier.

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[SPEAKER_00] You know, they don't have really the internet on TVs and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00] They just don't go that way. They read books. They talk. They read articles. Read magazines.

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[SPEAKER_00] No, the same way it was years ago. Oh, and their whole group is like that.

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[SPEAKER_00] Another reason on why elders matter. And they do. More than people realize.

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[SPEAKER_00] That homeschool network is proof of the village or the community that we talked

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[SPEAKER_00] about in episode two still exists and will always exist.

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[SPEAKER_00] Just not where people expect to find it anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00] Real, organized, nationwide community stepping in where an institution failed.

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[SPEAKER_00] Elders stand outside that broken system and we're looking in, knowing what's broken.

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[SPEAKER_00] We're not tangled up in it and we're not dependent on it.

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[SPEAKER_00] Elders carry real, practical, life knowledge the system doesn't have anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00] Because the system's too busy falling apart to teach anybody anything real.

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[SPEAKER_00] In closing, this is a shout out to all the elders. We can't stay neutral anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00] We can't stay hidden anymore. Real elders need to become elders again.

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[SPEAKER_00] Reclaim the actual standing, not just rack up more years.

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[SPEAKER_00] Olders, younger, and old both need somewhere real to come back to. It's not about the past.

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[SPEAKER_00] It's for the people not even born yet. We identified the cancer.

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[SPEAKER_00] Next time we talk about what to do about it.

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[SPEAKER_00] Next time, the elder superpower and what we can actually do.

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[SPEAKER_00] Do you ever get that feeling something's off and you

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[SPEAKER_00] just can't put your finger on it? Yeah, me too.

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[SPEAKER_00] This is Elders Uniting the World, one elder at a time.

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[SPEAKER_00] Past episodes and contact information can be found at eldersunited.org.